MoTox8410 Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 (MY CAR 93 Z34 AUTO) is there a difference if were to drill many small holes in the box or if i were to drill a few "larger" holes in the bottom of the airbox?? been thinking lately about drilling a 3-4inch hole in the bottom of my airbox and running a "dryer exhaust" hose to the airdam then contructing something that would be rectangular that will fit in the front of the air dam (not the entire width but something like 6" wide X the height of the air dam) somekind of wire mesh to stop "objects" from getting into the airbox (maybe the stuff ricers put infront of there grills except farther back where u can not see it) or maybe the foam stuff like infront of the intake on many snowmobiles.. should i then block off the hole that is in front of the headlight or leave it (also if i left it open then i could block off the new setup somehow on a rainy day) then i might some how mod the box to fit a cone filter in it (for those who have done it how did you do it) so do ya think this would be helpful/effective??? do ya think there would be problems with overheating or water in the intake (keep in mind i live in MI) I WONT RELOCTE MY battery so dont tell me to do a CAI fenderwell setup thanks for your thoughts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 there have been 23451632512451241313132222222222.5 topics on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 If you build it.... they will come. *cough* ...I mean we will give a shit. Take pics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoTox8410 Posted March 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 FYI i did do a search on this and i did not find satisfying information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoTox8410 Posted March 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 If you build it.... they will come. *cough* ...I mean we will give a shit. Take pics! confused by this statement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Why will you "NOT RELOCATE BATTERY?" It is worthless, and I don't suggest trashing a factory airbox for no reason. If you want the car to be faster, then mod it the real way, and do it right. There is no reason to half-ass your way around a nice car, this is exactly what the previous owner of my car did, and I swear to God I will hate him for the rest of my life because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoTox8410 Posted March 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Why will you "NOT RELOCATE BATTERY?". simply because i dont want to mess with the amp amd fog light wiring and again i need the trunk room.... if it was a failure i have an extra bottom to an airbox cuz when i bought my car the top of it was cracked and i bought a new box...... why would you consider it worthless and half ass??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Why will you "NOT RELOCATE BATTERY?". simply because i dont want to mess with the amp amd fog light wiring and again i need the trunk room.... if it was a failure i have an extra bottom to an airbox cuz when i bought my car the top of it was cracked and i bought a new box...... why would you consider it worthless and half ass??? There is no point to doing it. If its horsepower you're after, spend the extra money and do it right, into the fenderwell. As for messing up the wiring, not a valid excuse at all. It is 2 frickin cables. But I can understand not doing it for the trunk space. The only reason to do this is for the sound. And if you really want it to sound good, again, do it right--into the fenderwell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoTox8410 Posted March 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 I did not realize there would be much of a difference in sound but could you explain more in depth why you think it wouldnt work to me it makes sense cuz 1 it will have cold air and alot of it 2 because if i were to block off the hole behind the headlight it would force the air right into the intake the only problem i see is that i think it might me more turbulent but then again WHEN it is flowing it would flow directly into the intake on another note where did ya get that swaybar and where can i get one for the trunk for cheap??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 I did not realize there would be much of a difference in sound but could you explain more in depth why you think it wouldnt work to me it makes sense cuz 1 it will have cold air and alot of it 2 because if i were to block off the hole behind the headlight it would force the air right into the intake the only problem i see is that i think it might me more turbulent but then again WHEN it is flowing it would flow directly into the intake on another note where did ya get that swaybar and where can i get one for the trunk for cheap??? 1) The air you are grabbing form underneath the airbox is right above the exhaust crossover, which isn't cold by any means, it is warm--and a lot warmer than the air behind the headlight. 2) It would flow slightly more I guess, but because of the added air temp it wouldn't do any good. As far as sound goes, the 3.4 is a thing to hear when it has a true cold air intake, it just growls like you couldn't believe. Drilling holes will make it sound a little better, barely, but don't count on getting any poiwer from it. The strut tower brace was custom made from 1.5" X .5" aluminum stock, then powdercoated red. You can get them from a few places, but they might need some modifying. They really don't do much good, but I needed it since I cut my crossmember for my headers. Search for strut tower brace or STB. I also have one for the rear end. As for a battery reloaction setup, look around Summit Racing, they normally run $50-$70. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoTox8410 Posted March 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 aaron did you read all of my first post (MY CAR 93 Z34 AUTO) been thinking lately about drilling a 3-4inch hole in the bottom of my airbox and running a "dryer exhaust" hose to the airdam then contructing something that would be rectangular that will fit in the front of the air dam (not the entire width but something like 6" wide X the height of the air dam) somekind of wire mesh to stop "objects" from getting into the airbox (maybe the stuff ricers put infront of there grills except farther back where u can not see it) or maybe the foam stuff like infront of the intake on many snowmobiles.. should i then block off the hole that is in front of the headlight or leave it (also if i left it open then i could block off the new setup somehow on a rainy day) then i might some how mod the box to fit a cone filter in it (for those who have done it how did you do it) so do ya think this would be helpful/effective??? do ya think there would be problems with overheating or water in the intake (keep in mind i live in MI) thanks for your thoughts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 There is not room to get a 3" pipe in front of the engine, behind the radiator, and even if there was, you aren't going to get that ram air effect. It is liek the GAGT setup, theoretically it is ram air, but in reality, you're better off going to the fenderwell. Go ahead and do it, but don't expect any results worth mentioning, and have fun opening your hood in embarassment as people realize that you used heater duct to try and make your car fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonyman87 Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 There is not room to get a 3" pipe in front of the engine, behind the radiator, and even if there was, you aren't going to get that ram air effect. It is liek the GAGT setup, theoretically it is ram air, but in reality, you're better off going to the fenderwell. Go ahead and do it, but don't expect any results worth mentioning, and have fun opening your hood in embarassment as people realize that you used heater duct to try and make your car fast. actually there would be plenty of room beneath the stock airbox if you took out your airconditioning system. but i actualy agree with aaron. its not worth running a fubar setup. If your gonna cut holes in your airbox, do it at the front by the headlight. Dont tear out the bottom or the sides pointing to the engine. You will probably hear your motor alot more doing this.. +ass dyno will trip out with the added sound to the accealaration. Relocating the battery isnt as hard as you may think it is and its really more practical then stock location. For the pipeing visit your local mufflership an ask them to make a custom bend for you. $$$ cheeper then buying premade all it requires are connectors and paint. That remindes me. i dont think i ever paid for my CAI yet, my mufferguy said no need. its free. (probably not typical case) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 If he is bitching about moving the battery, I highly doubt his A/C is coming out. And after that he'd still need to totally cut off his entire air box support bracket, and that thing isn't exactly small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoTox8410 Posted March 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 im bitching bout the battery cuz once again i have no room with my subs and amp with that i barely have any room and there is room for the pipeing i no cuz ive already checked and ran the hose to see if it would fit for a 3" tube i have not for a 4'' though once again i dont think it would be warmer than the hole behind the light if anything i though it would be as cool or cooler than the fenderwell setup (once moving and there is a flow of air) what is the "gagt" setup??grand am GT?? i am only looking for an explantaiton of why this wouldnt help? :? just the way i am i guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 I built tuned equal length headers for a w-body. I knwo where there is room, and where there isn't. It won't work cuz it won't fit, and it'd be gay even if it did work. Please, this topic is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoTox8410 Posted March 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 thanks for all the great help...... aaron:and there is room for the pipeing i no cuz ive already checked and ran the hose to see if it would fit for a 3">>> i dont know if you misunderstood where i said i was going with the hose but ive physically ran the hose i would love to take a picture but dont have a digital Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 If you want to try to run PVC pipe (maybe paint it so it doesn't look as shitty) and put a cone filter below the exhaust manifold so that it only sucks cold air. Did that with my friend's Sunbird and I *think* we got some results, but that could just be HIS ass dyno. We did pull a decent time at the track though, for an otherwise stock engine. I couldn't see any room in my 1988 Grand Prix with the 2.8, even with the a/c parts removed it would be a very tight squeeze. Try for a ghetto CAI, but don't bother with Ram air cause it's stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoTox8410 Posted March 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 if ya didnt know dryer exhaust hose is quite flexible and can be snaked through to the airdam easily why is ram air considered so stupid? is the cowl induction on my vette completly pointless?? im not expecting boost or anthing like that more so just free flowing cold air...would i not be getting this??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Ram is stupid (most of the time) cause the whole concept is that it is forcing air into the engine, giving you "more power". Ram air like on the Grand Am GT is just a joke. Only real performance cars truely utilize the "technology". That's JMO anyway.. Cowl induction works differently.. the air gets "sucked in" from reverse air pressure or something like that. I don't know how effective they are- probably more so at just cooling the engine. CAI is just easier IMO. FWI is the best, but gotta move the battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaloutsider Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 if ya didnt know dryer exhaust hose is quite flexible and can be snaked through to the airdam easily why is ram air considered so stupid? is the cowl induction on my vette completly pointless?? im not expecting boost or anthing like that more so just free flowing cold air...would i not be getting this??? The dryer hose would be WAY too turbulent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonyman87 Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 im bitching bout the battery cuz once again i have no room with my subs and amp with that i barely have any room and there is room for the pipeing i no cuz ive already checked and ran the hose to see if it would fit for a 3" tube i have not for a 4'' though once again i dont think it would be warmer than the hole behind the light if anything i though it would be as cool or cooler than the fenderwell setup (once moving and there is a flow of air) what is the "gagt" setup??grand am GT?? i am only looking for an explantaiton of why this wouldnt help? :? just the way i am i guess http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/436000-436999/436966_115_full.jpg copy past if it dosnt work more then enough base to make you def and look a battery is back there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 im bitching bout the battery cuz once again i have no room with my subs and amp with that i barely have any room and there is room for the pipeing i no cuz ive already checked and ran the hose to see if it would fit for a 3" tube i have not for a 4'' though once again i dont think it would be warmer than the hole behind the light if anything i though it would be as cool or cooler than the fenderwell setup (once moving and there is a flow of air) what is the "gagt" setup??grand am GT?? i am only looking for an explantaiton of why this wouldnt help? :? just the way i am i guess http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/436000-436999/436966_115_full.jpg copy past if it dosnt work more then enough base to make you def and look a battery is back there MIne is right where your sub box is, pushed all the way forward and on the passeneger side, and I have never needed any more room. Look, this topic has been discussed to a definitive point, and you have been told by numerous people about what is best, yet you continue to argue. Its a fucking air intake, you're not looking at anything more than 15hp MAX, and that max will be achieved in the fender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoTox8410 Posted March 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 not to continue this argument but the only info that has been said that i consider helpful or answering any of the questions i asked was DIGITALOUTSIDER:The dryer hose would be WAY too turbulent pretty much everyone else has either suggested relocating the battery to the trunk and getting a CAI which i have considered but decided i needed trunk space (FYI my subs are almost as far forward as the battery box on sonnymans car and will not go further back ....hitting the back seat) which i stated in the begining that i do not want to do though it maybe/is the best I WANT AN ALTERNATIVE aaron i am not argueing a point i am only looking for a reason behind ramair/my idea being useless...chill, sorry if ive seem to agravate you by wanting a reason you continue to say CAI CAI which i understand maybe/is best BUT....not what i want i also understand its just an air intake but i also want it to be worth my time and money i would be more than happy to shut up when i get an defenitve answer to why ramair/my idea is useless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 That is what we have been telling you-IT IS USELESS. Worth your time and money? The only intake you buy that is going to do that is a CAI. Go on Ebay, buy a cone filter, and listen to us. I have been under the hood of my Z34 more than you have masturbated, trust me, I know what will work and what won't, as do most the people here. We tell you what to do, cuz we have all done it before, and we know the results. Go ahead and do ram air, it isn't going to help any. Again, I think we've said all that needs to be said, you just keep arguing. No matter what I say, you are gonna keep arguing, so just go do it, realize that drilling holes had the same results, and then come whining saying how do I make it better? It is an intake goddamnit... I wish I was a mod, this woulda been locked a page ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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