THe_DeTAiL3R Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 I dropped the pan today to change the fluid/filter. I'm not sure but to me this looks like alot of metal shavings. Mind you, this is the first time I've ever serviced this car (I don't know when/if it was ever done before). Car currently has about 135k miles on it. Trans was shifting a little hard on the 1-2, other than that no slippage or anything. I haven't drove it since I changed the fluid tonight so I don't know if the shifts are softer or not. Anyways, tell me what you think. As you can see the square magnet is completely covered in crap. Lots of pictures: (some are right after I dropped the pan, other pics I cleaned some of the fluid up) http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/dave64/S2400025.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/dave64/S2400027.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/dave64/S2400028.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/dave64/S2400029.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/dave64/S2400030.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/dave64/S2400031.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/dave64/S2400032.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Is that metal hard pieces or simply goo? The goo is just clutch material.......a normal item over time. Metal is bad, typically if there is metal the trans is inoperative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted March 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 on this pic http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/dave64/S2400030.jpg I cleaned up the pan a bit and placed the larger pieces of metal for you to see. There was alot of the goopy stuff, which I'm not really concerned about. If this is a problem I'm putting this car up for sale come spring. :x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1990lumina Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Usually aren't the shaving just really fine? Those ones look fairly big...but I'm no expert on anything.. - Jeff L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baddflash Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Yeah those shavings look pretty big to be just normal wear. I'd think that if something hasn't already failed it may not be far away, but then again it could be just fine for another 100K. Either way I'd drive it till it drops and just get another one to replace it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Either way I'd drive it till it drops and just get another one to replace it. That's about all you can do, and that is a LOT of shavings and metal chunks. Cross your fingers and give it hell, hopefully it lasts you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted March 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 I guess I'll baby it for a month or 2 drop the pan and see how it looks, maybe those shavings have been there for the past 10 years . I'd like to sell the car anyways, before it goes boom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Wow....yeah those bigger pieces would bug me....I notice there's no pieces of thrust washer in there though. How dark was the fluid, BTW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay3800 Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 That is offly low mileage for the tranny to be taking a dump. They must have been accumulated a 1/4-mile at a time before you bought it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted March 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 How dark was the fluid, BTW? The fluid was quite dark, basically looks like it just hasn't been serviced in a long time. It does NOT smell burnt though, which is a good thing. On my 1988 when I dropped the pan it was just as dark, and that car had more mileage. But, that car had very little shavings and goop inside. If it still shifts hard on the 1-2 I'm gonna dump a bottle of Lucas in it... I'm thinking that the 3100 with more low end power is alot harder on these trannies than having to rev the crap out of them with a 2.8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 How dark was the fluid, BTW? The fluid was quite dark, basically looks like it just hasn't been serviced in a long time. It does NOT smell burnt though, which is a good thing. On my 1988 when I dropped the pan it was just as dark, and that car had more mileage. But, that car had very little shavings and goop inside. If it still shifts hard on the 1-2 I'm gonna dump a bottle of Lucas in it... I'm thinking that the 3100 with more low end power is alot harder on these trannies than having to rev the crap out of them with a 2.8. I feel the opposite. My 3.1 had more power down low, whereas I like to rev the hell out of the 3100, since w/ the Vin J manifolds, I'll be pulling still at 6k rpm's. I'd stay away from Lucas. Try a bottle of transmedic first. If that doesn't work, then I GUESS try out Lucas, but maybe avoid using a whole bottle of that honey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted March 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 I feel the opposite. My 3.1 had more power down low, whereas I like to rev the hell out of the 3100, since w/ the Vin J manifolds, I'll be pulling still at 6k rpm's. I'd stay away from Lucas. Try a bottle of transmedic first. If that doesn't work, then I GUESS try out Lucas, but maybe avoid using a whole bottle of that honey. I agree that the 3100 has lots of power in the high RPMs, I guess what I meant to say is that I don't have to take it past 4K to get it moving (on the 2.8 it had no low end so I was always flooring the fucker ) I'll have pics tomorrow of the metal shavings I filtered the goop out with varsol. I gotta break into the filter and see what it looks like in there too.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 thats bad, i just did mine a little while ago and it was no where near like that. we replaced a tranny VERY shortly after a fluids change. and it had not even half the junk that yours does in it. it's anyones guess really, could be good for another 50 miles, could be good for another 50k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaloutsider Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 When I completely changed the fluid/filter in my GP, the tranny lasted another 600 miles. Then.. boom. Lost second gear completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3pt1lumina Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Try putting in this stuff called "Lubeguard." My former auto teacher's father is a transmission repair man and he said to do this. My car would constantly miss the shift into third I'd say 90% of the time. After I did a full service and put that stuff in, it misses no more. Also, all the other shifts are smoother. All of those chunks though have me concerned. I guess keep on driving it until it blows up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z34_nut Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 looks like my tranny pan before the tranny took a shit. it lasted about 5k after i did all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Trans service will not cause a transmission to fail. It was on the way out before you came to it. I also hate transmission additives (any additive for that matter)......the vechile was not designed to operate with it. You are simply dealing the repairs to a later date......and you could very well be costing yourself more money in the end. But what do I know...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannymik Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 yeah thats more shit that I had in my '95 Cutlass when I dropped the pan. If only people would do the recommended maintenance on there tranny fluid and filter you wouldn't see half of that shit! Since my Prix just hit 27K I'll either drop the pan and change the filter or I might have the fluid flushed out. Hopefully you'll be ok and not have to deal with a dead 4t60e in the near future... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 For the ultimate transmission service I recommend the following..... -Pan drop and filter replacement. -Add 5 quarts of fluid. -Remove cooler line. -Start car (fluid will come out line), immediately dump in 2 more quart. -As soon as the fluid coming out the line turns new, shut off car. -Fill transmission to proper level. This will use approx. 12 quarts of ATF. This replaces all the fluid in the transmission (something you don't get with a pan drop)...........and you get a new filter and to inspect the bottom of the pan for debri (something you don't get with a flush). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannymik Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 For the ultimate transmission service I recommend the following..... -Pan drop and filter replacement. -Add 5 quarts of fluid. -Remove cooler line. -Start car (fluid will come out line), immediately dump in 2 more quart. -As soon as the fluid coming out the line turns new, shut off car. -Fill transmission to proper level. This will use approx. 12 quarts of ATF. This replaces all the fluid in the transmission (something you don't get with a pan drop)...........and you get a new filter and to inspect the bottom of the pan for debri (something you don't get with a flush). does it matter on the cooler line...incoming or outgoing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 You would want the return to transmission line disconnected at the transmission. Don't ask which is which.....I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted March 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 little update... I finally got around to smashing open the old filter. Wasn't any metal in it. The paper material in it had grey "liquid" on it, I guess the same stuff as the normal sludge, but it was more liquidy. So I guess that's a good sign. Also added some fluid. I was too lazy today to install the tranny cooler so just though I'd check on things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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