EurosportZ34 Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 3300 in to a lumina? LOL!!!1!! save yourself some time and money and swap a 3.1T or a 3.4 DOHC since those engines were made for your car AND have alot more power and potential than both the n/a 3.1 and the 3.3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico_20002 Posted March 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 I thing i'll ether get the 3.4 or rebuild the 3.1. were can I get the chip for the 3.4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 personally as far as 90* v6s go i like the 3300 it seems to run not as smooth as my 60* v6 engines, but i like it. it moves a-bodys very nicely. but they are smaller cars. with all the extra work your ahead to replace the 3.1 with another 3.1. with a 3300 you will have miles of unforseen work to make it work in your car since no w-body came with the 3300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 IIRC, all of the 3300's were connected to the THM 125C (3T40) 3-Speed auto, so I'm not sure it would bolt right up to a 4T60 tranny. Wrong. many a-bodys came with the 440-t4 (4t60) and the 3300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EurosportZ34 Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 were can I get the chip for the 3.4? Ben on this site makes them (aka vegeta) they work wonders!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico_20002 Posted March 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerX Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 it would be just as much work to put the 3300 in as it would to put a 3800 in....and the 3300 is pretty shitty too... 3300 is FAR from shitty. It has identical power ratings as the 3100, but with a broader torque band (TQ peaked at 2,000 and stayed flat). I think the reason they may have felt slower is they had taller final drives than the 3100's 3.33. I do agree though, that swapping in a 90° motor is not worth the added work over doing a 3400! The 3300's torque may peak lower, but flat isn't always good on the curve. Given the 3300's short stroke of less than 3" compared to the 3.31" stroke of the 3100, low rpm differences are probably very small. If anything, the 3300's advantage would likely be past the horsepower peak. At this point I'm liking the 3100 better, as it makes its power primarily in the mid-range where you'll need it most on the street (a true Chevy motor), and I think it would likely put more under the curve with mods compared to the 3300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skalor Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 The main problem with many 3300 is that the 4T60 they were attached to had a 2.73:1 FDR. I know because I looked up my PRO codes for my '90 Ciera. I for one like the 3300 and my '90 Ciera would beat my friend's '90 3.1 Lumina everytime. From a stop is was close but as soon as I got to the top of first I was pulling past him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtk2 Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 I don't think there is anything wrong with the 3300, I have a friend with a 3300 Century and it runs pretty well, espeically for having 200k+ miles on it. However, I think I would sell it and put in a different 3.1 or some other engine if the engine in it is bad. If the engine is fine thats in the car, then I wouldn't bother with swapping it for anything with similar hp/tq. ratings. 3100, 3400, DOHC 3.4, or Turbo 3.1 is the way to go IMO. Or obviously the L27/L36 or L67. Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay3800 Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 The main problem with many 3300 is that the 4T60 they were attached to had a 2.73:1 FDR. I know because I looked up my PRO codes for my '90 Ciera. You hit the nail on the head. 3300 has the same peak power and a broader torque band than the 3100, yet it was geared EXTREMELY tall. Had it been geared with the 3.33 final-drive, it would have been faster than the 3100. EDIT: What was the FDR on GA GT's? I know they had the 3300 too but were prolly geared better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp90se Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 leave it in there, the 3300 is a truely junk/underpowered motor. If your going to do it, your going to have to fab up a wiring harness and 1 motor mount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skalor Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 I don't know what the GAs had, but my brother's friend had a '91 Ciera with a 3 speed. He bought it with ~215,000 miles on it, and traded it with ~250,000 on it. It still ran pretty good and it would beat my '90 Ciera. He traded it in for a Cavalier, but the funny thing is that I just saw it last fall. I new it was his, because we painted the grill black(to match the car), and the drivers door was dented. Anyways, I also wouldn't bother swapping in the 3300 as it's not worth the effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 what do I need to do this ? And yes I searched. I have everything for the 3300. will it bolt into my cradle? any help pleaseWhy? Man I just don't get it. Do you enjoy being hurt?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartonmd Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 The main problem with many 3300 is that the 4T60 they were attached to had a 2.73:1 FDR. I know because I looked up my PRO codes for my '90 Ciera. I for one like the 3300 and my '90 Ciera would beat my friend's '90 3.1 Lumina everytime. From a stop is was close but as soon as I got to the top of first I was pulling past him. +1, my father in law's '92 Ciera 3300, 4-speed auto will smoke my '92 euro 3.1 from anything but a stop... the 3.1 has good power down low and a good final drive ratio for off the line, but runs out of steam on the top end... the 3300 has about the same power delivery as the 3.8 (more power on top vs. low end). The 2.73:1 ratio is nice for somethings though... my '86 Ciera 2.8L would run 3krpm at 120mph and cruise there all day... but that was when I was young and stupid That having been said, I'd sell the 3300 on ebay and get a 3400 and do that swap instead... or just rebuild the 3.1 you have with hot parts... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerX Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 The old 3.1 MPFI doesn't compare well with a 3300. Not only is it short 20 hp, but its peak arrives before 4500 rpm, which likely leaves atleast a 25+ hp gap at 5200 rpm where the 3300 peaks. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, the Ciera is a couple hundred pounds lighter than the Lumina, so even a gearing advantage could offer little to save the 3.1 MPFI at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutlassdude96 Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 I dont think any n-body with the 3300 got a 4sp, I just look at my 92, 93 Olds brochers and the Achiva did not have one as a option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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