avitlqc Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Okay, First off let me say I have a 1990 Pontiac Grand Prix STE Turbo with 97,000 miles. Its a great car but the transmission has been slipping for about 2 weeks. I put a can of lucas in it and it fixed it untill today when i happened to be 65 miles from home. It was running great, crusin along at about 70 mph and then it kicked out of gear and the engine reved to like 7.5k. I pulled over and shut the car off to check and make sure it still had trans fluid and it was full but burnt, so i let the car cool off for like 30 mins then I drove to the closest gas station which was 2 miles away at 6mph in first gear. When i shut the car off trans fluid went everywhere. My question is should I have th trans rebuilt or should I get one from a j/y. I found one for $150.00 with only 75K miles on it. Let me know what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfewtrail Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 You should probably get it rebuilt, the transaxle is specific to the 89-90 Turbo Grand Prix's(coupes) and TSTE's. It's a beefed up version of the regular old 4T60 transaxle. Send a private message to "no1kicker" on this board, he might still have a turbo GP transmission that he's looking to sell(if you're interested). IF you do get your transaxle rebuilt, you need to specifically tell them that it's not a normal version of the 4T60. Someone in the TGP section of this board might be able to recommend you to a reputable rebuilder in your area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avitlqc Posted February 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Thanks but as a question will a 4t60 out of a 92 regal 3.8, fit in my car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossman429 Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 dbtk2 is getting his rebuilt, or had it done recently. When i shut the car off trans fluid went everywhere. Could you elaborate on this? It might be that you just have a trans cooler hose that was clogged/leaking. My parents had this problem with their 92 Euro back in the day. One day just driving along on the Highway, it stopped going. It turned out that when my stepdad did the plugs on it he pulled the motor forward, on the older Lumis and such when you pulled the motor forward it stretched out the cooler lines. My stepdad said when he got the new cooler lines from GMre about 1/4 inch longer than the originals to prevent this problem. It is likely different on the TSTE because of the auxilary trans cooler in the front of the bumper. If you had trans fluid leaking on the ground, I would think about fixing that to see if that is the prob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avitlqc Posted February 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 No the lines were all replaced about two weeks ago when i did the tune up as the guys at pontiac dealership told me aout this problem. I'm not sure where the leak is but i checked the lines when i stopped cause i thought that i might of broke one or not got it tight enough but they were good and tight. The car is in a gas sation parking lot right now so i didnt really have the chance to put it up in the air and check everything out realy good but I will as soon as my dad gets back from KC with my truck and trailor (He borrowed it this week because my sister bought a 1966 mustang that she is going to restore and his truck would not pull my car trailor, wrong wiring). I am going to start tearing into it this sunday. I hope that I can find a trans that will work of someone that can rebuild mine for a decent price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPXSS Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 1. low fluid causes stuff to slip 2. continuing to drive it makes it overheat 3. overheating causes melted and blown seals 4. no main seal at converter = trans bleeds to death happend to me.. not fun. There is stuff inside that must be replaced before you drive it again or it will commit suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glock19 Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 I would recommend against a rebuild, spend a little more and get a re-manufactured one. From the rebuilds I have seen, they never last. My dad had his Lebaron rebuilt every 12k miles, did it 5 times before he gave up. My brother had his Camaro tranny rebuilt and it lasted 20k before starting to give out again. Used ones could have been abused and you have no way of knowing. You could try your luck with a used first. JM2C Glock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutlsp Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 my 88 cutlass had its tranny rebuilt at 90k and its at 130k on the tranny i think i'm at about 220k on the original motor too so my car is just weird :? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeorge Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Thanks but as a question will a 4t60 out of a 92 regal 3.8, fit in my car? well no I dont thing it would work acctually because the Tranny in the car is a 4t440-HD/4t60-hd in 92 they switched to a 4t60E I belive...thats why you could get a second gear start...but if its not an E then it may work for only a short time thou your best bet is to get a TGP or TSTE Tranny or go with a 282 5spd there are poeple on the forums who have Tried Just the plain 4T60 and it Ripped the thing apart after only like 5-10,000 miles....Just because the factory Rated the motor at 220 ft/lbs doesnt mean thats all it has....My Tste Dyno'd at 294 ft/lbs and 207HP at the Ground and that was STOCK. so your best bet if you cant find a HD or a 282 would be Find a 4t60 out of a 91GTP that would be the next best thing that would be a Direct Fit. you can get the Tranny rebuilt but it would cost...that is the safest way to go....or heck Sell me your TSTE..lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeorge Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 I would recommend against a rebuild, spend a little more and get a re-manufactured one. From the rebuilds I have seen, they never last. My dad had his Lebaron rebuilt every 12k miles, did it 5 times before he gave up. My brother had his Camaro tranny rebuilt and it lasted 20k before starting to give out again. Used ones could have been abused and you have no way of knowing. You could try your luck with a used first. JM2C Glock Find a Reman 4t440HD/4t60hd and let me know how much it is......I have looked everywhere and can only find rebuilt...its not your Run of the mill Tranny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby1870 Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Thanks but as a question will a 4t60 out of a 92 regal 3.8, fit in my car? well no I dont thing it would work acctually because the Tranny in the car is a 4t440-HD/4t60-hd in 92 they switched to a 4t60E I belive...thats why you could get a second gear start...but if its not an E then it may work for only a short time thou your best bet is to get a TGP or TSTE Tranny or go with a 282 5spd there are poeple on the forums who have Tried Just the plain 4T60 and it Ripped the thing apart after only like 5-10,000 miles....Just because the factory Rated the motor at 220 ft/lbs doesnt mean thats all it has....My Tste Dyno'd at 294 ft/lbs and 207HP at the Ground and that was STOCK. so your best bet if you cant find a HD or a 282 would be Find a 4t60 out of a 91GTP that would be the next best thing that would be a Direct Fit. you can get the Tranny rebuilt but it would cost...that is the safest way to go....or heck Sell me your TSTE..lol Only problem with that is all DOHC cars had 4T60E in them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutlsp Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 they only rebuild the tgp trannies and our trannies now because gm stoped remaning them. gm sucks they stoped making little parts that always seem to break for the older cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeorge Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Only problem with that is all DOHC cars had 4T60E in them okay so Scratch that Idea....thought they didnt switch untill 92..but oh well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supreme_style21 Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 the transmission has been slipping for about 2 weeks. ... two weeks ago when i did the tune up as the guys at pontiac dealership told me aout this problem. Did the dealership work on your car or did you? According to your timeframel, the transmission started slipping as soon as it left the dealership? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avitlqc Posted February 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 No I did the tune up I just went to the dealership for some pointers and to get a few parts, the lines, plug wires, etc. I called GM on Friday and got the price on a trans and they told me about 1800.00. So I called around and found a used one out of a 90 TSTE with 57k on it and I think Im gonna go that way as its only 150.00+exchange If I get it rebuilt it is about 500.00. On a happy note I got the car home tonight and I am gonna start pulling it apart tomorrow or monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glock19 Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 I would recommend against a rebuild, spend a little more and get a re-manufactured one. From the rebuilds I have seen, they never last. My dad had his Lebaron rebuilt every 12k miles, did it 5 times before he gave up. My brother had his Camaro tranny rebuilt and it lasted 20k before starting to give out again. Used ones could have been abused and you have no way of knowing. You could try your luck with a used first. JM2C Glock Find a Reman 4t440HD/4t60hd and let me know how much it is......I have looked everywhere and can only find rebuilt...its not your Run of the mill Tranny If I am reading this correctly, $1890 from Jasper. http://webapp.jasperengines.com/webcat/catalog.asp Here is another for $925. http://www.rebuilt-auto-transmissions.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_main.html?catid=696&l_make2=&sid=5uJJIM1EUH7x65T-24105410112.07 Neither of them say the numbers above but they are for a 1990 turbo grand prix. Don't know if they are the same or not. Glock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeorge Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 I would recommend against a rebuild, spend a little more and get a re-manufactured one. From the rebuilds I have seen, they never last. My dad had his Lebaron rebuilt every 12k miles, did it 5 times before he gave up. My brother had his Camaro tranny rebuilt and it lasted 20k before starting to give out again. Used ones could have been abused and you have no way of knowing. You could try your luck with a used first. JM2C Glock Find a Reman 4t440HD/4t60hd and let me know how much it is......I have looked everywhere and can only find rebuilt...its not your Run of the mill Tranny If I am reading this correctly, $1890 from Jasper. http://webapp.jasperengines.com/webcat/catalog.asp Here is another for $925. http://www.rebuilt-auto-transmissions.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_main.html?catid=696&l_make2=&sid=5uJJIM1EUH7x65T-24105410112.07 Neither of them say the numbers above but they are for a 1990 turbo grand prix. Don't know if they are the same or not. Glock Question is Is it a True HD? or are they like every other shop that thinks its the same thing?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeorge Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 1990 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX 6cyl 3.1 TURBO Automatic Transmission All our transmissions come with remanufactured torque converters! The transmission and the matched torque converter have been tested on a dynamometer before shipment. Catalog No. RAT20580701 Product Name AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION Manufacturer GM Vehicle 90 PONTIAC GRAND PRIX 6 cyl Engine Size 3.1 TURBO Notes VIN Codes V Tag ID 0TRH Transmission Model 440T4 Discount Price US$ 923.41 Core Deposit* US$ 200.00 Shipping & Handling US$ 175.00 (Round trip shipping) there is no HD after the Trans type thou....???? also that is a Rebuilt one....not a reman.....not that there is areal differance...LOL...Im just giving you SHit...... the only thing I can say Is make SUre its a HEAVY DUTY Trans other wise you may have issues being people have tried it in the past.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glock19 Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 A quick phone call should determine that. At a minimum I would hope that Jasper knows the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeorge Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 A quick phone call should determine that. At a minimum I would hope that Jasper knows the difference. as would I.... I know Jim got a total rebuild from frans or someplace like that .... the PURPLE Tranny...I dont think he paid much over 1000 for it....he will probably post the price...and I dont think hes ever had an issue with it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeorge Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 I did a search under Jaspers for just the LE tranny and it lists the same as for the turbo....and I know the Gears where different so ....they may have the wrong or assume its the same Tranny.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutlsp Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 are you talking about me jeorge? cause my name is james so i'm a little confused right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeorge Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 No Me and Glock wher having a little Debate about Trannys and finding the right one...... I love how all the Tranny shops think the 4t440 and the 4t440HD are all the same..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutlsp Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 yeah ain't it just great fucking morons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeorge Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 yeah ain't it just great fucking morons well Im not sure if they are morons or just cant comprehend that GM would put a different Tranny in what 8,000 total cars in a 2 year Time... bty sorry cant spell but they wont even seem to listen when you tell them.... its like the intercepter Tranny They are different too... wonder if the 4t60-I would fit inplace of a TGP tranny?? I can get a 4t60-I but it needs a rebuild its in my 91 cutlass thats in the Junkyard Dead at 379,000 miles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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