loominaz34 Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Hey all, my car failed emissions big. Here in illinois, they only test co and Hydrocarbons. I passed CO no problem, I was allowed a 15 and I got a 4.8. I failed miserably on the HC, getting a 1.88 when I was allowed a .8. I was wondering what i could do to lower emissions as cheaply as possible. I have a spare EGR sitting around the house. Will that help with HC? I pulled a code 35 which is because my idle is real low, (around 550 in gear or out when hot) this is correlated by my high HC rating but that's the only code I pulled. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1990lumina Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Maybe an idle relearn would help also?? Its free which why I thought of it... - Jeff L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryk2003 Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 they make some stuff called "GUARNTEED TO PASS" that you put in your gas tank with a full tank of gas...i'd try some of that for starters...also, how old are the plugs, wires, air filter!?...a tune-up should help out too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaloutsider Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Throw some Amoco Ultimate in there and try again. Air filter, plugs, and wires don't hurt either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loominaz34 Posted February 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 I was running shell Vpower. I always do plugs have 2500 miles on them, wires are pretty new, I'll try the idle relearn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loominaz34 Posted February 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Ijust realized the sticky with the idle relearn is gone. anybody got the procedure handy? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1990lumina Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Unplug ECM fuse. Put it back in after a couple secs. Start car and put in drive right away. Idle for 5-7mins. Shut down. Restart and put it in drive and idle it for 5-7mins then shut down. The idle should be learned - Jeff L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loominaz34 Posted February 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 I did the idle relearn process tow different ways and it's the same. It seems like the engine is flooding itself. I realized that at WOT the car is strong all the time while at normal throttle conditions it will stutter and hesitate. i found out today that the O2 sensor is not used above 75% throttle, the exhaust smells like unburned gas and my HC is more than double what it should be. i'm getting a low idle code but not a rich running code, could the O2 sensor be what's wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1990lumina Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Possibily, but you "should" be pulling an O2 code then if it that out of wack. - Jeff L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetdreams Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 I am an emissions inspector so I may be able to help. if you failed on hydro carbons thats unburnt gas, replacing the EGR with a 'NEW' unit may help, some tech's at work service the EGR system though I'm not sure what all that entails. I would buy a new o2 and see what that does for your idle, I think thats your problem because the machine sniffs twice once at speed and than again at idle I bet you failed on idle and thats related to the o2 NGK o2's are good and cheap most people dont know theyre supposed to be changed every 60,000miles. if anything else I'd say a motovac service at a service garage, dont do the 'doityourself' bottle stuff its not half as strong for gettin out the carbon all thru the engine. anyways to me that sounds like your problem. dont throw ANY "guaranteed to pass" crap in your car if you like your ride very much it gums up the insides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryk2003 Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 dont throw ANY "guaranteed to pass" crap in your car if you like your ride very much it gums up the insides. ...that stuff won't hurt anything...its alcohol...i've dumped that in plenty of carz and never had any problems... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loominaz34 Posted February 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 I have a graph from the test facility that I don't know how to read but if it will help you, I could scan it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1138 Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 HC means ignition problem. You're not burning gas well enough. We're talking about E-Check heavily in my Engine Performance class.. here's some stuff to try. How long do you drive before you go to the E-Check station? Recommend you drive about 20 miles or more to make sure everything is warmed up. Your catalytic convertor isn't efficient until it's warm. Also, if Hydrocarbons are a problem, check your "spark stuff" as my teacher says. Plugs, wires, DIS, etc. And no, that "guaranteed to pass" stuff isn't really harmful if you don't use it too often. The alcohol isn't really wonderful for your engine, but if you don't use it that often, it won't really hurt anything. Scan that graph in and we'll take a look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toastemcutlass Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 its a small world i also work at an emission place for three years and in illinois..the one in volo if you want to visit and of course know what you need. hydrocarbons is basically your unburned fuel, it could be an ignition problem but anything that can cause unburned fuel to go out your exhaust...such as, you said you think its flooding, well when a car is running rich it has plenty of fuel to burn and has plently of left over fuel, aka hydrocarbons...also cuz when there are problems with the combustion process like the ignition miss fireing....if its not then prolly running rich, or the erg is sticking....do you have problems starting problems? if so check the tps and the fuel pressure regulator...most likey if you find why its idling weird first and that should help....the guareteed to pass shit is just basically isopropelene, naphthalene, alkalamine and polyether, all things that help as a catylist and help burn your fuel better...this stuff works if your close, doesnt if you have problems with the car running...and usually that stuff helps more for the carbon monoxide...any who, start there and let me know if you dont get it to pass, ive seen alot of cars in three years and know all the tricks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toastemcutlass Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 ooo i didnt read you had the rdr...scan it and i can definatly help you from that...my email is toastemcutlass@hotmail.com..or if you can post it here and i can tell if its the egr or not too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcac Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 I have no idea what portion of the emissions test this is supposed to affect, but I have heard that changing your oil then immediately getting an emissions test can help you pass. Maybe someone who has experience in this area could comment on whether this would be effective or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1138 Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 That is correct, kcac. Also, filling your tank with 93 Premium gas can help, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetdreams Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 anything I say is IMO of course, including not to put anything other than gasoline into your gasoline engine. if you want to pour alcohol and whatever else into that car thats up to you alcohol burns much much hotter than gasoline,(yes even in diluted form) which your engine isnt designed for neither are any of your sensors remember that as you pour it in. also if the dealer could figure a way to do a carbon cleaning for half the cash they would but they know they have to fix what they sell notice you dont see it on theyre shelves? as for the companies who do sell it good luck suing them when your using it in a car which obviously isnt running right in the first place. just somthing to think about IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toastemcutlass Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 changing oil helps alot with the northstar engines, somthing about the clearenses...not a clue but i guess gas gets in the oil so changing it helps, so this gm mechanic says, thats the only time ive seen changing the oil working was with the northstars..but your not going to pass with the car running like crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loominaz34 Posted February 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 So after two days of searching I've come to the conclusion that my mom threw out the graphs the emissions place gave me. Anyway... I noticed a little white smoke puffing at idle yesterday because it was warm enough for me to know it wasn't steam. To me this says dirty injectors. I'm going to throw some fuel system cleaner in it and see if that helps. Anybody have a favorite they want to suggest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoroCorona Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 anything I say is IMO of course, including not to put anything other than gasoline into your gasoline engine. if you want to pour alcohol and whatever else into that car thats up to you alcohol burns much much hotter than gasoline,(yes even in diluted form) which your engine isnt designed for neither are any of your sensors remember that as you pour it in. also if the dealer could figure a way to do a carbon cleaning for half the cash they would but they know they have to fix what they sell notice you dont see it on theyre shelves? as for the companies who do sell it good luck suing them when your using it in a car which obviously isnt running right in the first place. just somthing to think about IMO I'm gonna have to throw the too. Ever hear of Gasohol? ITs a mix of gas and alcohol. It doesn't hurt your engine. Id say do a nice seafoam treatment, replace the O2 sensor, and put some 93 in it and try again. Id bet it will pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1138 Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 anything I say is IMO of course, including not to put anything other than gasoline into your gasoline engine. if you want to pour alcohol and whatever else into that car thats up to you alcohol burns much much hotter than gasoline,(yes even in diluted form) which your engine isnt designed for neither are any of your sensors remember that as you pour it in. also if the dealer could figure a way to do a carbon cleaning for half the cash they would but they know they have to fix what they sell notice you dont see it on theyre shelves? as for the companies who do sell it good luck suing them when your using it in a car which obviously isnt running right in the first place. just somthing to think about IMO I'm gonna have to throw the too. Ever hear of Gasohol? ITs a mix of gas and alcohol. It doesn't hurt your engine. Id say do a nice seafoam treatment, replace the O2 sensor, and put some 93 in it and try again. Id bet it will pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loominaz34 Posted February 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 When i do this seafoam, how much smoke am i going to get? should i call up friends to watch the spectacle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoroCorona Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Yeah, It looks like your spinning the tires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loominaz34 Posted February 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Did the seafoam after changing my moms oil. That was awesome. :shock: it didn't help idle really but it made the cap STOP smoking at idle, which says good thigs. I had to drive windows down for about a block because my mom kept the doors open while i put it in the booster line. My mom says we're going to get a ticket for it. Now this thursday (payday) I'm'a do that O2 sensor, oil change and rock the emissions place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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