ZOOMOLDS Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Ok guys. I am bored to tears at school and I am in need of ideas. I have a 91 olds cutlass supreme with the 3.4 dohc. I have no idea what to do to it. I wanted to turn it into a sleeper. convert it to rwd with a mustang drivetrain in it just to piss some people off, however i have decided to give this one to the forum. u name it I will do it. And no this isn't coming from the barn in kentucky with my sawzall (spelling) in my right hand. Keep it within reason. I am only 23 years old and i am sorry but i will laugh at you if you tell me to put a v12 out of a benz and somehow make it allwheel drive. just not happening. So the best idea wins. come up with some and vote on them and starting in april the cutlass will get a facelift. I seriously have no clue what to do with the car. It was my grandfathers and then passed to me to become my first car so selling it is not an option. And i know a lot of you will laugh at this post.. well... my daily driver is a 2000 ford excursion that runs mid 14's. It weighs 8900 pounds, has 4wd and runs on gas. And the only reason it runs in the 14's is due to the fact that my friend and his gay little honda said my truck would never beat his car. lets just say he ran a bit slower that day at the track.. and yes a honda will fit in the back of the excursion. Help me out guys i need ideas. ADAM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTPrix Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Wow. AN excursion running 14's... As for your next project, what kind of budget are you working with? Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOHC_WBody Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 14's in that land barge? I'd believe it if it were a diesel lol propane injection. As it stands.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOOMOLDS Posted February 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 http://community.webshots.com/photo/234567157/234569847ADRtzC http://community.webshots.com/photo/234568804/234568804CFoItk Talked to bullshit today and it turns out that he had nothing to say at all. I live in the pittsburgh area at the moment ran a 14.6 last fall with the excursion. And i can scan all the time slips that you want but like everyone else you will never believe me untill u see it for yourself. if you don't wana believe me.. well fine. come to PA line up next to me and when i run in the 14's i will be glad to drive right up and over your car with my big ass truck. ok all joking aside it's pretty quick. i have a paxton novi2000 blower on a 6.8 v10. a paxton independent fueling system. and a whole lot of other toys thrown into it. The truck has been tuned perfectl. ok and as for the cutlass... this is my project car for school.. I am attending one of the best automotive schools in the US and for the last month i have the oportunity to do whatever i want to my vehicle. every tool you could think of is in this building including a brand new dynojet dyno. so keep the budget around 4 grand i guess... and lemmie know what you come up with. ADAM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnatGoSplat Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 4 grand, I say wait a few months for Grand Prix GXP's to show up in the salvage yard and swap in the LS4 5.3L V8. I'm guessing (hoping) it will be an easy bolt-in. That's my plan, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 4 grand, I say wait a few months for Grand Prix GXP's to show up in the salvage yard and swap in the LS4 5.3L V8. I'm guessing (hoping) it will be an easy bolt-in.That's my plan, anyway. I say wait a few years and just buy the whole GXP for 4 grand. LOLOLOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokemBokem Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 u name it I will do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 LS1.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 must be nice to be rich and have a excursion at 23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOOMOLDS Posted February 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Ahhh another BS flag... thanks guys.. few questions for you.. what would be the ideal swap? and also what engines will bolt up to a 4t60e without the trans shitting it's self. is it possible to fit a northstar in a wbody? a v8 would be sweet.. but then again so would a built 3.4 dohc that is bottle fed. and as for the rich comment.. Get a job.. bust your ass.. and you too will have money.. I am 23 years old and i have a resume that is most likely twice the size of yours.. Man you guys are rough.. I love this forum though.. now quit pickin on me! haha.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnatGoSplat Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 LS4 is the ideal swap. Northstar won't fit, it's HUGE, the heads are massive. The LS4 is a lot more compact, even more compact than a 3.4 DOHC. LS4 should bolt up to a 4T60-E, but a 4T65-E would be better. LS4 should also be compatible with a lot of the LS1 bolt-ons and is also a lot more durable than the 3.4 if you want to feed it the bottle. LS4 is an all aluminum V8 based on the LS1 except it has a FWD tranny bolt pattern and specially designed front timing cover, accessories, and oil pan to allow it to be mounted sideways in an FWD car. No one has done this swap yet so there's no proof it would be bolt-in on a first-gen W-body, but I don't really see why it wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonyman87 Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 well no bs flags in this post.. but if you want to piss off mustang drivers slap a turbo on that baby and with 7psi(not limited to that could probably handle 16psi but the transmission wont last) like timg you will be SMOKIN the compotition and your suburban anyday!! if you dont want to turbo it and money is no factor you could go with a MSD supercharger kit. Or fabrocate one. but if you wish to keep the 3.4dohc plan on doing some of your own motor work b/c things like the Timingbelt and intake gaskets dont like to last much more then 50-60k miles. for a motor swap.. ther is always the (l67/l32 minimal mods in the 13s, lots of work you can do 10s or 11s fwd) I recomend the 4t65 HD trany with "intense" limit slip differential and upgrades. For a v8 app. gm put out a new fwd v8, or pick out your own rwd v8 and lift the body of the car and slap it on an s10 or f body platform...(lots and lots of work) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 where are you at in the pittsburgh area? i'd like to see this cutlass or mabie help you out with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOOMOLDS Posted February 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 i am in blairsville.. attending wyotech at the moment. the cutlass is back in ohio. it has been sitting for 3 years. just put a newer 3.4dohc in it but have yet to plug everything in an turn the key. the motor that i just put in has only 15000 miles on it. just was never motivated to finish it since it is my 3rd car. i should have it up in blairsville in early april. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1138 Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Where at in Ohio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOOMOLDS Posted February 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 ls4 sounds like a plan.. find me one guys... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOOMOLDS Posted February 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 in stow... right near summit racing equipment... 10 min from akron 30 min for cleveland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOHC_WBody Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Talked to bullshit today and it turns out that he had nothing to say at all. I live in the pittsburgh area at the moment ran a 14.6 last fall with the excursion. And i can scan all the time slips that you want but like everyone else you will never believe me untill u see it for yourself. if you don't wana believe me.. well fine. come to PA line up next to me and when i run in the 14's i will be glad to drive right up and over your car with my big ass truck. ok all joking aside it's pretty quick. i have a paxton novi2000 blower on a 6.8 v10. a paxton independent fueling system. and a whole lot of other toys thrown into it. OK, now that's more like it...you don't just say something like "I have an 83' diesel Chevette that runs 8's" and leave us hanging. You gotta tell us about the swapped 427/pg/8.8 in it. BTW, what kind of 60's does that thing pull? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnatGoSplat Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 ls4 sounds like a plan.. find me one guys... Sorry man, if I find one, it's mine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 i would turbocharge the existing 3.4L DOHC engine like Tim G. did and then get rid of the craptastic 4T60E and convert it to a 5-speed manual using a Getrag 284. how do you like the Blairsville Wyo-Tech? i lived in Laramie Wyoming and took a 3hr tour of the facilities there and i was holy-shit-impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 I would not listen to anyone on these forums. Their answer to speed is an engine swap. To the one or two that suggested leaving the 3.4 in it, props. A 3.4L DOHC with only 15,000 miles is the perfect candidate for boost. Hell you can even build it N/A, it isn't that hard. All it takes is some mechanical inclination, and money for a few custom parts. But they can be bought, I will have some forged titanium (or steel if they fall through) connecting rods on the way early this summer. The 3.4L DOHC is really easy to turbocharge, and can be done well too. And tthis motor will eat up boost liek nothing you've seen before, and I will gaurantee you that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 I would not listen to anyone on these forums. Aaron, give me a freaking break. ALOT of the people who have posted in this thread know a helluva lot more than you do about making power in a W-body (weather you believe it or not). we all know you think the DOHC 3.4L is god's answer to any motorized vehicle you have way too much love for the DOHC 3.4L....so much so that you can't even see past its faults. the LS4 is a great approach too IMO, as well as....gasp..the L67! i mentioned 5-speed just for the fun factor and besides i think both the 282 and 284 are more dependable than a 4T60 or 4T60E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnatGoSplat Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Engine swaps cost less and gets results much sooner. Finding the right combination of aftermarket parts for an engine with little aftermarket, and finding combinations that work, and tuning/tweaking to get results, takes a lot of time and research. A custom turbo, fabrication to install it, and the time/work to tune and tweak it also costs a lot of time and money. An engine swap, as long as it's an easy bolt-in, only requires installing it and wiring it up. Once it's in, that's instant power. Most people have been able to swap an engine in less than a few months. I guess it depends on what you're looking for and how much you want to spend, but an engine swap is usually the best bang for the buck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOOMOLDS Posted February 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 well in answer to your past questions.. Wyotech is amazing.. they let us do just about anything we want on vehicles so i am definatly taking advntage of it.. i have learned more in 4 months than i ever learned in the 3 years i was in college. now as for the 60 foot time on the excursion it was a 2.038. and didn't even have trouble hookin up.. all u have to d ois mash the gas. now back to the engine sawp. how much actual power can i get out of a l67 or an ls4. and do i really want a obd 2 engine in my cutlass? ok so i keep the 3.4 dohc in there and even keep the 4t60e. any links of how large of a bore and stroke i can go? i would much rather build the 3.4, attach it to a built 4t60e and hook the both of them to a fast engine management computer system? rather than just swap engines and have a stock setup from another car.. hell why don't i just go out and buy that damn car instead. however if i can find a way to strap a vette motor in sideways on the cutlass.. that wouls be great. Shawn i do agree with you on the engine swap being the best bang for the buck. and if i wasn't so into testing and tuning i think your sugestion is best. and as for turbos.. those are for sissy ricer hondas with fart cans for exhausts. they should have never stolen the idea from the grand national... haha.. k guys go ahead and rip me a new one.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 i see no problem with turbos myself, i guess where you go with this engine really determines how much power you really want out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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