brianteel Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 I dont have the car one the ground yet but when i push on the pedal it feels really soft. I know the master cylinder is good and so is the slave. anyone have any ideas on what is causing that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baddflash Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 If you've got all the air out of the lines it might be fine. I find the clutch really soft and thought the same thing when I first put it together. It takes atleast 100 times more pressure to operate the clutch on my Belair. You might just have to try it to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianteel Posted December 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 ok....how did you get the air out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baddflash Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 The slave is the most likely spot. just stand it upright and fill it slowly till all the air is out then pump some fluid through the master and line and quickly connect them together. Always worked great for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianteel Posted December 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 so i should pull it out and then fill it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianteel Posted December 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 yes i need them if you have them...i am using the spec stage 3 clutch....i want to drive it i am going to have no reverse lights or speedo unless i get those plugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianteel Posted December 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 thanks alot email me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianteel Posted December 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 well i think i got most of the air out on the slave side but the pedal is still really soft almost to the point where it is not doing anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 i bleed my clutch hydraulic system much like i bleed brakes. - top off the clutch fluid reservoir - knock the roll pin out of the slave cylinder and pull the line out of it. inspect the o-ring for damage while you're at it and replace if necessary - remove the 2 13mm nuts holding the slave cylinder in place and remove it from the transmission. drain the old fluid out of it and set it aside. - submerse the end of the hydraulic line into a clear container filled with new clean brake fluid - have a friend slowly pump the clutch over & over again while you watch the dirty fluid and bubbles come out of the end of the line. make sure the end of the line stays submersed (doh) - also make sure the fluid in the reservoir doesn't go too low while you do this and refill as needed - continue slowly pumping the clutch pedal until no more air bubbles or dirty fluid comes out of the line. then tell your friend to keep the clutch pedal down to the floor while you fill the slave cylinder.... - hold the slave cylinder at a 45* angle and fill it up with new clean brake fluid. - with clutch pedal still to the floor pull the line out of the container and insert the end back into the slave cylinder. push the roll pin back into place. keep the clutch pedal to the floor until the roll pin is back in place - top off the fluid reservoir and.... - test drive. this has always worked for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianteel Posted December 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 interesting....well i have tried everything i got the air but it became as hard as rock and i am not sure why...i alos brok the plastic one. I am going to switch and try to use one from a fiero that bolts in place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intlcutlass Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Just wanted to say I feel your pain. I blew the clutch in the Fiero, and I don't know when I will be able to get it fixed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 i've never had a problem at all with air in the system...seems pretty easy to bleed to me. i have a directions sheet that came with my new Raybestos master cylinder...i will scan it and post it soon (gotta go out to my parents house to use the scanner....sorry i'm taking so long Dave :oops: ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianteel Posted December 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 i broke the plastic tip that comes off the master cylinder for the resvour so the car might be on hold for a while...i was getting it too bleed but the master cylonder was locking up when i go the air out. i am go to use the fiero 2nd design one with the fiero slave and braided line so all i have to do is turn the bleeder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 i have a directions sheet that came with my new Raybestos master cylinder...i will scan it and post it soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianteel Posted December 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 very helpful...i am going a different route Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianteel Posted December 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 well i tried what that paper said above and i am still not getting any real pressure on it. there are air bubbles cimning into the resivoir that i can see.....I dont know what to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianteel Posted December 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 well the throw out bearing is toast. I am not sure what happened but i think that is why the clutch was not working now how to fix it and get a new one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 how exactly do you know it's the TO bearing? if it is the TO bearing....time to pull the engine/trans and separate them. installing the TO bearing itself is easy and straightforward once you have the transmission unbolted from the engine. fwiw, the TO bearing can only be installed one way, so that shouldn't be an issue. from the sounds of it i'd say you still have air in the hydraulic system....i would try bleeding it the way i posted on page 1 in this thread....make sure the O-rings on either end of the hydraulic line are actually there AND in good shape. i would buy a new clutch master cylinder and/or slave cylinder before doing all the work to replace the TO bearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianteel Posted December 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 I pulled the motor out this morning and found the the TO bearing was melted down. I am talking about the metal itself. That is what was making the loud noise and smoke when i first started. It really was not that much work to pull it because i never had it fully together. I bought a new slave and master last week and drained everything and put new fluid and o rings so i know that is good. I am going to pull that back out and bleed it some more and try and get it right. I am going to try and take some pictures of the TO so you can see. I am not sure why it went bad but it did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianteel Posted December 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 any of you guys can scan a copy of the TO bearing install form the manual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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