Guest TurboSedan Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 i'm getting ready to order all of the gaskets needed for my 3.1. has anyone dealt with Pick Pro Parts before? i noticed Manticor mentioned them on the 60* forum so i thought i'd give them a try. here is what i'm planning on getting: $22.79 - Head Bolts - Fel-Pro fel ES74018 pic $24.94 - Head Gaskets (both sides) - Fel-Pro fel 9471PT pic $25.77 - Valley Pan Gasket & Upper Set - Fel-Pro fel MS96041 pic $15.02 - Exhaust Manifold Gasket Set - Fel-Pro fel MS93692 pic $58.92 - Oil Pan & Timing Cover Gaskets -Fel-Pro fel CS9471 pic some questions: 1. do these prices seem reasonable? 2. should i spend $60 on GM head gaskets instead of Fel-Pro? 3. any recommendations on an oil pump? TIA! EDIT: PICS ADDED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 i use fel-pro gaskets. i removed my upper intake to fix my pcv valve line and used fel-pro intake gaskets and haven't had any problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Dubya Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 I'll chime in here.. Those prices seem fair, in fact they are very good, the valley gasket will cost around $40 at Advance/Checker/Autozone, so that would make a difference there regardless. It looks like you have everything you need, I think, I don't know if I saw the gasket for the oil cooler, goes on behind the attachment for the oil filter. Its a small paper gasket that can be bought for ~$2, and you might as well replace the o-ring on that shaft that attaches it to the block. I went with the Mellings 95HV oil pump, high volume, I think it is the actual part that was installed in the vin V engine. Make sure you prime it before installing it to make sure it works. http://www.northernautoparts.com does not show it on the online store, but that is where I bought mine from, came in 3 days and it pegged my oil pressure gauge. 8) I used Fel-Pro gaskets and have had no issues with the heads, just make sure you install the pushrods in the right spots or else the intake will not seat correctly. :oops: just looked again and I see that gasket. I think you have everything you need. Just get yourself a pack of varying sized o-rings and you should be ready to assemble. Use new o-rings everywhere. You definetely don't want a fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperRed90TGp Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Don't know if you have an Autozone but even if you don't you could save some money buying from them on line. Do thoes prices include shipping. All Felpro Head 9.29 Valley and intake 20.99 Pan 18.99 Timing set 10.99 (gasket and seal) gasket alone 5.39 Bolts and exhaust gasket about the same. Looks like there are 3 Autozones in yout town. Jud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl3196 Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Looks like there are 3 Autozones in yout town. Jud What are you smoking? We don't have any autozones here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Use new o-rings everywhere. You definetely don't want a fire. yeah i am definately replacing all of the injector o-rings. i did the same on my 2.2 a couple months ago when i resealed that engine. one of my friends cars started on fire because of an injector o-ring :shock: i'm still not sure if i'm going to use that funky TGP oil cooler....probably not though. i am going to try to 'simplify' the turbo's coolant supply & return lines if i can. i'll check with Norther Auto Parts about the Melling oil pump. do you have a part #? the Melling oil pump i installed in my other car cost me $55, hopefully one for this 3.1 Turbo won't be much more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Don't know if you have an Autozone but even if you don't you could save some money buying from them on line. Do thoes prices include shipping. All Felpro Head 9.29 Valley and intake 20.99 Pan 18.99 Timing set 10.99 (gasket and seal) gasket alone 5.39 Bolts and exhaust gasket about the same. Looks like there are 3 Autozones in yout town. Jud no the prices didn't include shipping. i'm not sure what the shipping would have come to. i checked prices at the local Checker today and they were quite a bit more expensive. we don't have an Autozone here but there is one in Laramie, WY and i'm in Laramie like once a month anyway. i'll give them a call and check into it. thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperRed90TGp Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 My bad. :oops: I guess maby there are only 3 in your whole state. I think these are the closest to you. 106SW 4212 East 2nd Street Casper, WY 82609 (307) 266-3139 109SW 2037 Cy Ave Casper, WY 82604 (307) 266-4546 191SE 2721 Avenue B Scottsbluff, NE 69361 (308) 635-1113 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Dubya Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 That 95HV is the oil pump pn#. When I removed mine from my TGP engine it said 95HV on it, and the new one was the exact same. Just ask for a Mellings 95 HV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patgizz Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 partsamerica.com fel pro: cs9471 tc/oil set $53 9471pt head gasket $23 for a pair ms96041 intake set $28 head bolts $23 exh gaskets $15 if you buy separate from partsamerica.com = $142 buy separate from your place = $148 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patgizz Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 whoops, double post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 cool thanks. i spent a few hours today running a tap down the head bolt holes, preparing the block surfaces for new gaskets and cleaning the sides of the block....i got this 3.1 CLEAN! :shock: thanks again for the replies, i can't wait to get this thing back together! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 That 95HV is the oil pump pn#. When I removed mine from my TGP engine it said 95HV on it, and the new one was the exact same. Just ask for a Mellings 95 HV. yeah i looked at the oil pump on my TGP 'V' engine and it has Melling 95HV cast right into it. my 'T' engine just had a GM part # stamped on it; it wasn't a Melling. i priced the Melling 95HV at Advance and they wanted $66. btw - i went with pickproparts.com. i was going to use partsamerica.com, but they didn't have actual pictures like pickproparts.com does so i felt more comfortable ordering from them. i ordered the head bolts, head gaskets, upper & lower intake gaskets, and valve stem seals. so right now all i need is the oil pump, oil pan gasket set, and exhaust manifold gaskets. when my valve stem seals get here i can take the heads down to the machine shop and get them checked for flatness and have the seals installed of course. oh yeah i picked up my new clutch kit today too. i went with the Luk RepSet (part# 04-116). it cost $166. i have this same clutch in my Turbo GTS and my brother has the Luk RepSets in his Turbo Dodges and they have been great and don't slip at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Dubya Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Josh I assume that clutch is going in with the turbo 3.1? Let me know what you think of it because I will be doing a swap in the spring and need to know which clutch I should use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 yup it's going in along with the Turbo 3.1 engine. i'll post some feedback on the clutch after i get the car back on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 i got my parts from pickproparts.com tonight and i'm very happy with them. everything arrived on time, well packed, and they didn't mess up the order. i will be ordering my exhaust manifold gaskets & oil pan/timing cover gasket set from them soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Dubya Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Sweet Josh. I had to take my timing set back because they didn't include the gasket to seal it. There are a few spots that you need to apply some RTV black around that case when the timing cover goes on, I think it's down where the oil pan and the timing cover meet. I would get myself a new water pump if I were you, just to be sure. They are only $20 and it's easiest to change with it out. If you need any torque numbers or help setting timing let me know I have a manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 yeah i've done the timing cover once before, but i'm not sure if i did it the right way. do i need to use RTV on both sides of the gasket all the way around the entire thing? i know i'm supposed to use RTV where it meets the oil pan, but should the rest of the gasket be installed dry? maybe just use enough RTV to hold the gasket in place while i bolt the cover on? oh and i will definately be getting a new water pump. and the timing chain - i was actually planning on leaving it alone. probably sounds cheesy, but i want to spend as little money as possible on this 227,000 mile shortblock (save money for the 'V' engine build this spring). is that a bad idea? the chain doesn't seem real loose or anything. as far as the shortblock goes, it's getting a new 95HV oil pump, new gaskets, seals, headbolts and cleaned up real good but that's about the extent of it. i don't mind spending money on the heads because i can always use those later when i get the 'V' engine built up. the way i look at it is this: i'm basically turbocharging this high mileage 'T' engine for 'practice' or a mockup if you will, getting some experience for when i rebuild the 'V' engine the 'right way' this spring. besides, i have no use for this 'T' engine and i don't have room to store it, so i might as well learn from it and have fun blowing it up (not that i will deliberately try to lol). i think 8psi is as much as i dare push through it, intercooled and using 91 octane of course (highest grade available here). i will be using a grainger valve MBC and a TGP/5-speed memcal from Jay btw. i already have a Mastach ALDL cable, now i just need a cheap laptop and i can datalog! sorry i got a little long winded, i'm just getting excited about this project i guess thanks Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Dubya Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 When I rebuilt my 'V' I didn't replace the timing chain or dampener, but they only had 38k on them. I don't think it would be a terrible thing if you don't do it, but there is the danger that it will snap. Inspect it closely and you should be fine, just make sure you torque everything down correctly and it should be ok. Get a new chain for the 'V' when you do it this spring. How much did you pay for that cable and where can I get one? I am looking into a laptop soon and want to get involved with that in the spring when I do my 5 spd swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 just make sure you torque everything down correctly and it should be ok. Get a new chain for the 'V' when you do it this spring. yep, i'm very careful about torqueing everything to spec. i have a set of Craftsman click type ft/lb and in/lb wrenches. i'll definately be getting a new timing set for the 'V'. How much did you pay for that cable and where can I get one? I am looking into a laptop soon and want to get involved with that in the spring when I do my 5 spd swap. you can get the Mastach cable for $45 from http://www.mastach.com and that price includes the CD with software and shipping to anywhere. hopefully i can get a laptop on ebay for under $200 soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Dubya Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Sweet. My brother has a nice laptop that I may be able to use, I was watching an auction about 3 months ago for a PIII that went for $400, I should have bought it. It was a good Sony VAIO setup too. Thanks dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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