honda_bot Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 :?: My 90 cuttlass supreme w/4t60 trans will idle funny when in gear with the brakes applied. (ex. at a stoplight) The engine gives off a high-low-high-low-high-low sound as if the RPM's are bouncing around. (I don't have a tach) It seems like the trans won't let the engine run freely when the car is not in motion. Has anyone had a similar problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby1870 Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 sounds like the Idle Air Control (IAC) valve is actin up, not the trans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryk2003 Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 WELL...my car has a slight shudder on acceleration when taking off easy...or with the cruise set and a slight incline...@ WOT it takes off hard with no problems...i had my Auto Xray scanner hooked up and no SES codes or MISFIRES...i'm wondering if this could be a trans problem?...or something with the engine!?... :?: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokemBokem Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 When I am in idle with the car in park sometimes the engine will get a little louder and the car will kinda bounce around. Once I take it outta park then everything is fine? I really really hope the trans aint shittin out on me :x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaloutsider Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 :?: My 90 cuttlass supreme w/4t60 trans will idle funny when in gear with the brakes applied. (ex. at a stoplight) The engine gives off a high-low-high-low-high-low sound as if the RPM's are bouncing around. (I don't have a tach) It seems like the trans won't let the engine run freely when the car is not in motion. Has anyone had a similar problem? It could be just the normal GM low-idle problem. That's my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z34_nut Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 well, i'm getting my tranny rebuilt right now as we speek. its gonna be the first time i've ever had a warrenty on a car :!: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokemBokem Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 well, i'm getting my tranny rebuilt right now as we speek. its gonna be the first time i've ever had a warrenty on a car :!: How much is that costing ya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regal_GS_1989 Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 I'm putting my money on a weak coil pack. My 88 regal will do that sometimes. Idles/takes off really bad, then picks up @WOT. BTW, I've never had any SES codes stored when this has happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 how old are the plugs, wires, and O2 sensor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryk2003 Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 I'm putting my money on a weak coil pack. My 88 regal will do that sometimes. Idles/takes off really bad, then picks up @WOT. BTW, I've never had any SES codes stored when this has happened. ok...looks like i highjacked somebody elses thread...but, is this one for me!?...with my problem?...or the irratic idling in gear question!?... :? ...and IF i do have a weak coil pack...that would MOST LIKELY be the cause of my SHITTY 1/4 mile times...hmm... ...i just don't think i wanna go buy all new coil packs...that could get expensive! and FYI: my plugs & wires are prolly about 3 months old...i replaced them myself...also installed a new fuel filter @ the same time...haven't messed with the O2 sensor though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z34_nut Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 well, i'm getting my tranny rebuilt right now as we speek. its gonna be the first time i've ever had a warrenty on a car :!: How much is that costing ya? 1400-1600$$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokemBokem Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 well, i'm getting my tranny rebuilt right now as we speek. its gonna be the first time i've ever had a warrenty on a car :!: How much is that costing ya? 1400-1600$$$ Damn :shock: It looks like if my trans does shit out on me that I will be picking up a new car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 well, i'm getting my tranny rebuilt right now as we speek. its gonna be the first time i've ever had a warrenty on a car :!: How much is that costing ya? 1400-1600$$$ Damn :shock: It looks like if my trans does shit out on me that I will be picking up a new car. me too. no way in hell i'd spend that much money fixing a w-body. it's more cost-effective to just buy another one. i'd rather have a whole another car instead of just a trans. seems smarter to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokemBokem Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 well, i'm getting my tranny rebuilt right now as we speek. its gonna be the first time i've ever had a warrenty on a car :!: How much is that costing ya? 1400-1600$$$ Damn :shock: It looks like if my trans does shit out on me that I will be picking up a new car. me too. no way in hell i'd spend that much money fixing a w-body. it's more cost-effective to just buy another one. i'd rather have a whole another car instead of just a trans. seems smarter to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z34_nut Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 oo well, i guess it depends on how much you accually car about your car. just cause its a w-body, doesn't mean its completely worthless. the reason so many cars are in the junkyard are because of people like you. besides, i couldn't buy anoter car for 1400-1600$ this nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 oo well, i guess it depends on how much you accually car about your car. just cause its a w-body, doesn't mean its completely worthless. the reason so many cars are in the junkyard are because of people like you. besides, i couldn't buy anoter car for 1400-1600$ this nice. sure you could. a clean clean early w CS sold for $950 by my house a couple months back (second time i've posted this) cheap clean cars are out there. just open your eyes and look. i just don't see the wisdom of putting $1600 into a car not worth more than 3 grand a car can be worth a lot to someone because of emotional reasons, but a car worth little money is still going to be worth little moneywise no matter how much it's worth to somebody personally. how much somebody likes their car doesn't change it's market value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z34_nut Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 how much somebody likes their car doesn't change it's market value strange, where did you learn that... as if i didn't know that rebuilding my car will not bump up the value of it by $1500 i understand that this is costly, but i also have mentioned that i will be keeping this car for a very long time, if not for my whole life. hell if i were to turn around right now and sell it, i would prolly as 2k-2500. but thats not gonna happen, and not because i think that its accually worth something, but by the time this transmition is put back togeather, i bet i could drive it another 200,000 miles and get away with replacing just the wear items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1138 Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 oo well, i guess it depends on how much you accually car about your car. just cause its a w-body, doesn't mean its completely worthless. the reason so many cars are in the junkyard are because of people like you. besides, i couldn't buy anoter car for 1400-1600$ this nice. sure you could. a clean clean early w CS sold for $950 by my house a couple months back (second time i've posted this) cheap clean cars are out there. just open your eyes and look. i just don't see the wisdom of putting $1600 into a car not worth more than 3 grand a car can be worth a lot to someone because of emotional reasons, but a car worth little money is still going to be worth little moneywise no matter how much it's worth to somebody personally. how much somebody likes their car doesn't change it's market value It's not really wisdom or market value we're arguing here. It's more of personal attachment and personal value. I bought my most recent W for $220, but it's worth much more than that. To me, it's not worth much more. Kyle's car, that he has invested lots of time and money into, is worth much more to him because of that time and money he invested. No matter how little it's worth to NADA or any dealer out there, it's worth fixing, just because it's his. I felt the same way about my Grand Prix. If I had the money when the engine fell out, I would have put it into fixing that car up. Unfortunately, I did not have that money, and I ended up having it crushed. You gotta understand that most people on here are not as dissatisfied with their cars as you have most obviously been. We are also not as enthralled with RWD as you are. We like our W-bodies, and consider it worth the amount of money we spend to fix them up. That would also be the purpose of this board, that being to find the CHEAPEST way possible to fix the W we have, because it is so expensive to get cars repaired these days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 how much somebody likes their car doesn't change it's market value strange, where did you learn that... i said that because you and a few members have said that they have or will put insane amounts of $ into their cars because the car is worth a lot to them. i was just offering my opinion. anyways, good luck with the car and i hope it does give you another 200K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 way i see it, kyles had that car long enough to have a mess of new parts and stuff in it, why start all over with another car? even if he could get another car, could he trust it like his, would he know it like his? i think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 oo well, i guess it depends on how much you accually car about your car. just cause its a w-body, doesn't mean its completely worthless. the reason so many cars are in the junkyard are because of people like you. besides, i couldn't buy anoter car for 1400-1600$ this nice. sure you could. a clean clean early w CS sold for $950 by my house a couple months back (second time i've posted this) cheap clean cars are out there. just open your eyes and look. i just don't see the wisdom of putting $1600 into a car not worth more than 3 grand a car can be worth a lot to someone because of emotional reasons, but a car worth little money is still going to be worth little moneywise no matter how much it's worth to somebody personally. how much somebody likes their car doesn't change it's market value It's not really wisdom or market value we're arguing here. It's more of personal attachment and personal value. I bought my most recent W for $220, but it's worth much more than that. To me, it's not worth much more. Kyle's car, that he has invested lots of time and money into, is worth much more to him because of that time and money he invested. No matter how little it's worth to NADA or any dealer out there, it's worth fixing, just because it's his. I felt the same way about my Grand Prix. If I had the money when the engine fell out, I would have put it into fixing that car up. Unfortunately, I did not have that money, and I ended up having it crushed. You gotta understand that most people on here are not as dissatisfied with their cars as you have most obviously been. We are also not as enthralled with RWD as you are. We like our W-bodies, and consider it worth the amount of money we spend to fix them up. That would also be the purpose of this board, that being to find the CHEAPEST way possible to fix the W we have, because it is so expensive to get cars repaired these days... being the peacemaker again, eh? i've spent too much on my car. that's how i judge cars. when you start putting lots of $ into them, it's time to sell it. i believe i have a bad engine mount, and i'm not fixing it. i've spent too much fixing shit that shouldn't have went bad in the first place. as long as this car will take me to school and work until my truck comes in, i'm not spending another cent. well, actually i broke that promise, with the oil change i did yesterday i did use the cheapest oil i could get though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryk2003 Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 It's not really wisdom or market value we're arguing here. It's more of personal attachment and personal value. I bought my most recent W for $220, but it's worth much more than that. To me, it's not worth much more. Kyle's car, that he has invested lots of time and money into, is worth much more to him because of that time and money he invested. No matter how little it's worth to NADA or any dealer out there, it's worth fixing, just because it's his. I felt the same way about my Grand Prix. If I had the money when the engine fell out, I would have put it into fixing that car up. Unfortunately, I did not have that money, and I ended up having it crushed. You gotta understand that most people on here are not as dissatisfied with their cars as you have most obviously been. We are also not as enthralled with RWD as you are. We like our W-bodies, and consider it worth the amount of money we spend to fix them up. That would also be the purpose of this board, that being to find the CHEAPEST way possible to fix the W we have, because it is so expensive to get cars repaired these days... VERY WELL PUT!...i too am one that would rather FIX my car then get a new one...i LOVE my car...thats why i bought it...only thing i might do different is...if my tranny shitted out on me, i might have it built a lil beefier to try and keep it from happening again...if my engine dies...its not getting another 3100...prolly a 3400...the way i see it, mechanical problems give you a reason to make it BETTER... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z34_nut Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 oo well, i guess it depends on how much you accually car about your car. just cause its a w-body, doesn't mean its completely worthless. the reason so many cars are in the junkyard are because of people like you. besides, i couldn't buy anoter car for 1400-1600$ this nice. sure you could. a clean clean early w CS sold for $950 by my house a couple months back (second time i've posted this) cheap clean cars are out there. just open your eyes and look. i just don't see the wisdom of putting $1600 into a car not worth more than 3 grand a car can be worth a lot to someone because of emotional reasons, but a car worth little money is still going to be worth little moneywise no matter how much it's worth to somebody personally. how much somebody likes their car doesn't change it's market value It's not really wisdom or market value we're arguing here. It's more of personal attachment and personal value. I bought my most recent W for $220, but it's worth much more than that. To me, it's not worth much more. Kyle's car, that he has invested lots of time and money into, is worth much more to him because of that time and money he invested. No matter how little it's worth to NADA or any dealer out there, it's worth fixing, just because it's his. I felt the same way about my Grand Prix. If I had the money when the engine fell out, I would have put it into fixing that car up. Unfortunately, I did not have that money, and I ended up having it crushed. You gotta understand that most people on here are not as dissatisfied with their cars as you have most obviously been. We are also not as enthralled with RWD as you are. We like our W-bodies, and consider it worth the amount of money we spend to fix them up. That would also be the purpose of this board, that being to find the CHEAPEST way possible to fix the W we have, because it is so expensive to get cars repaired these days... being the peacemaker again, eh? i've spent too much on my car. that's how i judge cars. when you start putting lots of $ into them, it's time to sell it. i believe i have a bad engine mount, and i'm not fixing it. i've spent too much fixing shit that shouldn't have went bad in the first place. as long as this car will take me to school and work until my truck comes in, i'm not spending another cent. well, actually i broke that promise, with the oil change i did yesterday i did use the cheapest oil i could get though i guess that doesn't make sense to me, becuase the more money you put into it, the closer it gets to being fixed, and realiable. or i could go out, buy another car, and dump just as much money into it to keep it running, as i already did on my current car... i guess that makes sense, unless you go out and buy a brand new car (like i already know your doing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 or you could spend more money and buy a newer car that isn't as likely to break. face it, old cars break because they're worn out. plus, there's a greater change they've been abused because they've been around longer. it's been a good while since i've put more than $20 at a time into my car, and i've already saved a ton of money i can put down on my truck. it's all what you want. you can keep on putting money into an old car that isn't worth much to start with and will break again as things wear out, or you can put that money towards a newer car that will probably be more reliable which means costs less to maintain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1138 Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 or you could spend more money and buy a newer car that isn't as likely to break. face it, old cars break because they're worn out. plus, there's a greater change they've been abused because they've been around longer. it's been a good while since i've put more than $20 at a time into my car, and i've already saved a ton of money i can put down on my truck. it's all what you want. you can keep on putting money into an old car that isn't worth much to start with and will break again as things wear out, or you can put that money towards a newer car that will probably be more reliable which means costs less to maintain. Or (as Jay's Aveo has already taught us) buy a newer car that has more possibility for unknown problems and uncertainties. Perhaps those of us with older cars know the problems we face, and even the wear and tear on these older cars isn't as bad as it seems. Most worn out parts can be replaced, and there are still enough decent-condition models to replace said worn out parts. Not all old cars are as disposable as they seem. I'm comfortable with driving my Lumina around and dealing with what may come, because I'm certain that there isn't going to be a huge problem I can't deal with, outside of the engine falling out of my car. Also, the worth of a car doesn't always translate to reliability. Ever wonder why you see so many older W's still on the road, even beat to hell? Hint: the fact that they're still driving...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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