Intlcutlass Posted October 18, 2004 Report Posted October 18, 2004 The Aluminum 90 degree Intriuge engine? Just curious. Quote
DiscoStudd Posted October 18, 2004 Report Posted October 18, 2004 Someone told me that it wouldn't fit in the 1st Gen W-Bodies. I think that motor would ROCK in an older W!!! Quote
Intlcutlass Posted October 18, 2004 Author Report Posted October 18, 2004 If the 3.8 family fits, why wouldn't the LX5? too wide cause of the heads maybe? Quote
slick Posted October 18, 2004 Report Posted October 18, 2004 If the 3.8 family fits, why wouldn't the LX5? too wide cause of the heads maybe? Most likely. Quote
Carotop Posted October 18, 2004 Report Posted October 18, 2004 If you put the shortstar in give me your turbo 3.1 Quote
Baddflash Posted October 18, 2004 Report Posted October 18, 2004 I was told it didn't fit because of the heads. But a 4.9 pushrod fits and so does the 3.4LTDC so I don't know if anyone has actually tried or if they're just assuming it won't? I've never heard of someone trying. And seeing as I've been told an LT1 wouldn't fit and yet Chev had running prototypes it may be possible... Quote
cutlassdude96 Posted October 19, 2004 Report Posted October 19, 2004 its a 90* DOHC its just to wide Quote
WhiteOut Posted October 19, 2004 Report Posted October 19, 2004 I can't believe no one has said this yet, but WHY!?!?! Why not just swap in an LQ1? Same power, we know it fits, plus it has more of an aftermarket (if thats even possible) so whats the point even? Quote
Intlcutlass Posted October 19, 2004 Author Report Posted October 19, 2004 I can't believe no one has said this yet, but WHY!?!?! Why not just swap in an LQ1? Same power, we know it fits, plus it has more of an aftermarket (if thats even possible) so whats the point even? Why... 1) it's an aluminum block 2) it's got a timing chain not a belt 3)VVT Quote
sspeedstreet Posted October 19, 2004 Report Posted October 19, 2004 Someone has one running in a Fiero. I'm not that familiar with the W engine compartment, but if it'll go into a Fiero . . . Quote
GnatGoSplat Posted October 19, 2004 Report Posted October 19, 2004 Heads are too wide. A 90-degree DOHC is very, very wide. The 60-degree 3.4 DOHC is already so wide the rear plugs are difficult to get to even though they're just in the middle of the head. Imagine if the 3.4 DOHC were spread an additional 30-degrees wider. I would be more interested in the 3.6L VVT engine. I believe that's 60-degrees. Quote
5speedz34 Posted October 19, 2004 Report Posted October 19, 2004 3)VVT Since when does that motor have VVT? I've never heard that. I thought GM's first VVT engine was the 4.2 DOHC in the Envoys. Quote
GnatGoSplat Posted October 19, 2004 Report Posted October 19, 2004 3)VVT Since when does that motor have VVT? I've never heard that. I thought GM's first VVT engine was the 4.2 DOHC in the Envoys. Since ever, I think. http://media.gm.com/division/2005_prodinfo/powertrain/ Perhaps the clearest example of GM Powertrain’s product strategy, the global V-6 engine family was developed to satisfy a variety of worldwide applications. In North America, the 3.6L V-6 VVT engine variant debuted in the 2004 Cadillac CTS and SRX and Buick Rendezvous Ultra. For ’05 it is the standard engine in the new Cadillac STS, and is also available in the Buick Rendezvous and the all-new Buick LaCrosse. I'm guessing for a swap into a gen 1 W, we'd need a sidewinder out of a Rendezvous. Quote
GnatGoSplat Posted October 19, 2004 Report Posted October 19, 2004 OoooOoooooh! Look where the alternator is on the 3.6 VVT! See pic! Quote
5speedz34 Posted October 19, 2004 Report Posted October 19, 2004 I was talking about the short* not the 3.6. Quote
GnatGoSplat Posted October 19, 2004 Report Posted October 19, 2004 Oh, Shortstar was never VVT. With the 3.6 VVT around, Shortstar is a big waste of time, IMO. 60-degrees is better for a V6 anyway. Quote
5speedz34 Posted October 20, 2004 Report Posted October 20, 2004 Oh, Shortstar was never VVT. With the 3.6 VVT around, Shortstar is a big waste of time, IMO. 60-degrees is better for a V6 anyway. Isn't 60* better because there internally balanced. Quote
GnatGoSplat Posted October 20, 2004 Report Posted October 20, 2004 Yes, that's exactly right. 60-degrees is naturally balanced for a V6. A 90-degree V6 needs a balance shaft to be as smooth as a 60-degree V6. Quote
WhiteOut Posted October 20, 2004 Report Posted October 20, 2004 I can't believe no one has said this yet, but WHY!?!?! Why not just swap in an LQ1? Same power, we know it fits, plus it has more of an aftermarket (if thats even possible) so whats the point even? Why... 1) it's an aluminum block 2) it's got a timing chain not a belt 3)VVT Those reasons don't hold up very well. 1) So what its a couple pounds less... 2) It may not have a timing belt, but its got plenty of other issues to deal with instead. 3) Even if they did have VVT, which they don't, they still only produce 215hp, which is the same as an LQ1 for all practical reasons. Besides if they did have VVT that would just be one more headache on a high mileage engine. I still don't see any practical reason to perform the swap. Quote
Intlcutlass Posted October 20, 2004 Author Report Posted October 20, 2004 ooo you guys are right it's not a VVT....Sorry. I didn't start this thread to spark a debate... I just simply asked if anyone had done it... Why do I need to provide you with reasons? I hate the people who nitpick or try n grill you over "Why would you do this?" in responce to such a general question..... You see people swapping 3800 II in w bods Would I get grilled over asking if anyone has swapped a 3800 III? Quote
WhiteOut Posted October 20, 2004 Report Posted October 20, 2004 I hate the people who nitpick or try n grill you over "Why would you do this?" in responce to such a general question..... I hate me too.... Sorry, I didn't mean to be a dick or anything, I just don't understand why anyone would go through such a big hassle for so little gain. Your certainly entitled to do and think whatever you wish and I don't mean to question you, it just doesn't make much sense to me. Quote
Intlcutlass Posted October 20, 2004 Author Report Posted October 20, 2004 No problem....(shaking hands) Sorry, I didn't mean to be a dick or anything If a v8 can fit in a Lumina, I figured some creative person out there would have found a way to use the 90 degree DOHC Shortstar. The weight savings would be worth it to some..... It's like swapping an Ecotech for an Iron Duke. Quote
GnatGoSplat Posted October 20, 2004 Report Posted October 20, 2004 3.6 VVT is all-aluminum too, and I'm gonna bet it fits. Quote
rudefyet Posted October 20, 2004 Report Posted October 20, 2004 i think if you were willing to do a little relocation and custom work...you could fit it i'm seriously thinking about keeping my GP LE and trying to put a SBC in it with one of the Fiero tranny adapters Quote
5speedz34 Posted October 20, 2004 Report Posted October 20, 2004 3.6 VVT is all-aluminum too, and I'm gonna bet it fits. Wink Yeah, but how much are those going for now? I did a car-part search and for a CTS's 3.6 there about 2450, at a yard by me. Quote
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